John Piper’s Tornado: Exaggerations and Doubts at Trying to follow

John Piper’s Tornado: Exaggerations and Doubts

24 August 2009 9 Comments

heart_tornado If you haven’t heard, John Piper’s god sent a tornado through downtown Minneapolis last week to tell Lutheran’s not to let gay people become pastors. Let me clarify two things before I get to what this incident rose in my mind: 1) I do not agree with Piper at all on this, 2) Piper’s sermons and books were instrumental in my early faith growth and I have a great deal of respect for him. But on to what I want to write about: exaggerations and doubts.

Piper’s view of this tornado was, at best, an exaggeration (there’s probably a better term [and a whole lot of much harsher ones], but I’m using this one). There are hundreds of tornados a year and to point out this minor one, which happened to damage the steeple of a church, the hand of God seems like a stretch to me. There are a lot of people who believe in christianity and in God doing miracles and speaking through the natural realm even today. I think you could draw a spectrum from “no miracles” to “everything that happens is a message from god” and most people fall somewhere along that spectrum. I could be wrong, but I bet most folks, even some of the more charismatic types, would see Piper’s tornado as an exaggeration.

Now, anyone whose picked up and read a bible, or heard some of the stories, knows there are a lot of crazy miracle/hand-of-God type things in there: Moses parts the Red Sea, God floods the earth, Jesus heals people’s sicknesses and diseases, the walls of Jericho crumble. Christians tend to take those stories at face value, if you believe in a super-natural God there’s no reason those things couldn’t have actually happened just as they’re written. Other folks see the bible as a mythical story, maybe based on actual history, similar to many others told of gods and goddesses and their interaction with the natural world. They see it as best an exaggeration. One example of this division I can think of Moses parting the Red Sea. You’ve maybe hard something similar: “Some scholars believe that it was actually “Reed Sea” not Red Sea, just knee deep and that’s how the Israelites were able to cross it.” And someone will respond, “But if that’s the case, then isn’t it a miracle that the entire Egyptian army drown in knee deep water!” One group believes God is at work and attributes miraculous acts to God. The other group believes devout followers exaggerate natural events as miracles for their fictitious deity.

For several years, I’ve counted myself in the God does miracles camp. I believe some sort of super-natural being exists and I see no reason to believe that being couldn’t do super-natural miracles. So, I’ve read the Bible and had no problem assuming those stories could have actually happened, just as they’re written. Over the years, I’ve had my doubts about God and faith and a great many things, but I never spent much time debating the validity of the miracles recorded. If God exists, I don’t see any reason they couldn’t be true; if God doesn’t exist, there’s a good chance they aren’t true.

Enter Piper’s Tornado. If John Piper, a devout, respected, faithful, bible-reading-and-believing pastor can equate a tornado damaging a church with the hand of God, how many of the devout followers of God in the Bible exaggerated the stories and miracles they wrote about?

This conclusion didn’t shake up my own faith, I’ve heard enough of these sorts of declarations from others, but I don’t think it’s a good testimony to the evangelism Piper claims to be about.

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jamie said:

Good thoughts, Ariah.

# 24 August 2009 at 3:09 pm

crossn81 said:

Interesting. I would agree that Piper's comments were off base, much like his ones after the 35W bridge collapse and those after 9/11. It is interesting because we know that God judged Israel through disaster and war in the OT. But how does that work now that Jesus' blood covers over our sins?

I believe God does miracles as well, but it seems more miraculous that no one was seriously injured during the tornado – especially since the tornado warning system didn't work.

Thanks for your thoughts. I wish I could easily write out and articulate mine.

# 25 August 2009 at 12:09 am

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# 25 August 2009 at 4:52 pm

Goose said:

Ariah,

Check out Greg Boyd's response. I think you will find it a good read.

http://www.gregboyd.org/blog/did-god-send-a-torna...

# 1 September 2009 at 9:42 pm

Chelsey Tebbs said:

I was angered along with many of my friends about his post, he like many out there take the opportunity of an act of nature or disaster, to glorify their name and not God's, in turn pushing more people away from belief in him (GOD).

# 1 September 2009 at 10:16 pm

Ariah Fine (author) said:

Chelsey,

Thanks for popping in. I agree, his post was quite frustrating, for many more reasons then what I'd posted above. Glad to find others who felt the same way.

# 2 September 2009 at 12:27 am

Ariah Fine (author) said:

Goose,
yeah, thanks for the link. Felt Boyd did a good job of addressing the post head on. My thoughts were sort of a tangential point. Should have included Boyd's post in there though.

Funny though, I find both of those two have been very influential in my life and theology even though they often seem at polar opposites on things.

# 2 September 2009 at 12:28 am

Ryan, said:

Would you not agree with Piper’s points 5 and 6. Concluding that calamities in general serve as a reminder of God’s providence and everyone needs to repent of wrongdoing.

# 6 September 2009 at 4:43 pm

Ariah Fine (author) said:

Ryan, I'd say specifically points 5 and 6 I do not agree with. In point 5 he uses a verse where Jesus' explicitly does the opposite of what Piper is doing, that is, he's saying the calamity has nothing to do with the sins of the individuals it affected. I have no idea how he thought that helped his point.

And 6 is the crux of the post and the thing I disagree with the most, where he says: "The tornado in Minneapolis was a gentle but firm warning to the ELCA…" I completely disagree.

# 7 September 2009 at 6:59 pm